1 00:00:05,039 --> 00:00:06,388 Previously on "The Rookie"... 2 00:00:06,432 --> 00:00:07,955 That's Aaron Thorsen. 3 00:00:07,999 --> 00:00:09,652 Rich kid. TikTok famous 4 00:00:09,696 --> 00:00:12,873 before he got arrested for murdering his roommate in Paris. 5 00:00:12,916 --> 00:00:16,007 I was locked in a cell for 541 days. 6 00:00:16,050 --> 00:00:18,400 The person who murdered Patrick, he's still out there, 7 00:00:18,444 --> 00:00:20,228 and no one is looking for him 8 00:00:20,272 --> 00:00:21,664 because they still think that I did it. 9 00:00:21,708 --> 00:00:23,666 I don't want to be a part of this reality TV show. 10 00:00:23,710 --> 00:00:25,712 Sweetie, it's only gonna help you. 11 00:00:25,755 --> 00:00:28,367 I'm Morris Mackey. I'm the reality TV producer here. 12 00:00:28,410 --> 00:00:30,543 I just want to say, this has been so fascinating. 13 00:00:30,586 --> 00:00:33,241 I love true crime, and to be in a documentary, 14 00:00:33,285 --> 00:00:34,808 it's just -- it's a dream come true. 15 00:00:34,851 --> 00:00:35,809 Thank you. Thank you. 16 00:00:39,117 --> 00:00:40,770 Nolan: Do I just...? 17 00:00:41,815 --> 00:00:43,208 You're back. 18 00:00:43,251 --> 00:00:44,252 Interviewer: Another crazy story -- 19 00:00:44,296 --> 00:00:47,081 - how could I stay away? - Thank you. 20 00:00:47,125 --> 00:00:48,691 - You good to go? - Um, yeah. 21 00:00:48,735 --> 00:00:50,171 Where should I, uh -- where should I start? 22 00:00:50,215 --> 00:00:52,565 Why don't you, uh, tell me about Aaron Thorsen? 23 00:00:52,608 --> 00:00:55,394 Well, Aaron came to the F.T.O. program 24 00:00:55,437 --> 00:00:57,352 with the deck stacked against him. 25 00:00:57,396 --> 00:01:00,399 He had to sue the LAPD even to get into the Academy. 26 00:01:00,442 --> 00:01:02,401 I mean, you have to respect just how hard he fought 27 00:01:02,444 --> 00:01:04,229 just to be here. 28 00:01:04,272 --> 00:01:08,189 Uh, but what happened in Paris never left him, 29 00:01:08,233 --> 00:01:10,278 no matter how hard he tried to move on. 30 00:01:10,322 --> 00:01:12,063 People would argue that doing a reality show 31 00:01:12,106 --> 00:01:14,152 is the opposite of moving on. 32 00:01:14,195 --> 00:01:15,979 Well, those people haven't experienced 33 00:01:16,023 --> 00:01:17,894 what it's like to be infamous. 34 00:01:17,938 --> 00:01:21,376 I mean, Aaron was desperate to reset the way the world saw him. 35 00:01:21,420 --> 00:01:22,856 And it all blew up in his face. 36 00:01:22,899 --> 00:01:25,380 Yeah. Yeah, it really did. 37 00:01:35,912 --> 00:01:38,132 Aaron: I can't believe this is happening to me again. 38 00:01:38,176 --> 00:01:39,438 Interviewer: It's nice to see you again. 39 00:01:39,481 --> 00:01:40,569 Mm-hmm. 40 00:01:40,613 --> 00:01:42,441 And congratulations on the baby. 41 00:01:42,484 --> 00:01:43,964 Thank you. 42 00:01:44,007 --> 00:01:45,487 Did being pregnant make what you went through 43 00:01:45,531 --> 00:01:46,532 with Aaron more stressful? 44 00:01:46,575 --> 00:01:47,968 Not here to talk about me. 45 00:01:48,011 --> 00:01:49,839 Fair enough. Uh, let's talk about 46 00:01:49,883 --> 00:01:50,884 the reality show. 47 00:01:50,927 --> 00:01:53,191 Okay. It was his mom's idea. 48 00:01:53,234 --> 00:01:55,715 It was a way to rebrand his image. 49 00:01:55,758 --> 00:01:57,195 And what did you think of the title? 50 00:01:58,500 --> 00:01:59,762 No comment. 51 00:01:59,806 --> 00:02:01,242 Seriously, though. You have to have 52 00:02:01,286 --> 00:02:03,026 had an opinion --Listen, you're not gonna get me 53 00:02:03,070 --> 00:02:05,812 to say that dumbass title, so let's just move on. 54 00:02:32,404 --> 00:02:34,580 Yeah, so back there is my parents' room 55 00:02:34,623 --> 00:02:35,972 and the family room. 56 00:02:36,016 --> 00:02:39,802 Um... Oh, right here, this is my favorite photo. 57 00:02:39,846 --> 00:02:41,326 I was 6. 58 00:02:41,369 --> 00:02:42,936 And you might recognize my dad. 59 00:02:42,979 --> 00:02:45,895 He was part of a '90s rap duo, Flex n' Flow. 60 00:02:45,939 --> 00:02:47,114 That's them right here. 61 00:02:47,158 --> 00:02:48,333 ♪ Party's never stoppin' 62 00:02:48,376 --> 00:02:49,464 ♪ Who the boys that make the noise? ♪ 63 00:02:49,508 --> 00:02:50,726 ♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 64 00:02:50,770 --> 00:02:52,032 Yeah, man, when I was a kid, I used to love 65 00:02:52,075 --> 00:02:54,426 riding my tricycle up and down this hallway. 66 00:02:54,469 --> 00:02:57,037 Until he knocked over my Music Industry Achievement Award 67 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,473 and broke it. 68 00:02:58,517 --> 00:03:00,388 Aaron tried to put it back together with Play-Doh, 69 00:03:00,432 --> 00:03:02,434 thinking we wouldn't notice. 70 00:03:02,477 --> 00:03:06,002 But that's my son, always trying to get away with something. 71 00:03:07,395 --> 00:03:08,744 Not anymore. 72 00:03:08,788 --> 00:03:11,747 I mean, now he's... very responsible. 73 00:03:13,401 --> 00:03:15,577 Over here, we got my childhood bedroom. 74 00:03:18,493 --> 00:03:21,017 What the hell? 75 00:03:21,061 --> 00:03:23,585 Hey, I never had this picture of Patrick. 76 00:03:23,629 --> 00:03:24,934 Did you put this here? 77 00:03:24,978 --> 00:03:26,980 Morris: We just thought it'd be a nice surprise. 78 00:03:27,023 --> 00:03:28,242 Man, Morris, what the hell did I tell you, man, 79 00:03:28,286 --> 00:03:29,765 about faking stuff like this? 80 00:03:29,809 --> 00:03:31,898 Relax. Uh, not a big deal. 81 00:03:31,941 --> 00:03:33,856 We just wanted to do it for a take. 82 00:03:33,900 --> 00:03:34,770 Yeah, man, that's not cool. 83 00:03:34,814 --> 00:03:35,815 You know what? You're right. 84 00:03:35,858 --> 00:03:37,251 My bad. 85 00:03:37,295 --> 00:03:40,036 We'll -- We'll do it again, but without the photo. 86 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,342 Okay. 87 00:03:41,386 --> 00:03:43,126 Yeah, okay. 88 00:03:46,304 --> 00:03:47,957 Got that? 89 00:03:48,001 --> 00:03:50,003 Morris was white-hot from doing 90 00:03:50,046 --> 00:03:52,048 several award-winning documentaries in a row. 91 00:03:52,092 --> 00:03:54,137 The king of those "30 Under 30" lists. 92 00:03:54,181 --> 00:03:56,227 He had a real gift for earning people's trust, 93 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:58,272 convincing them that he was on their side, 94 00:03:58,316 --> 00:04:00,840 that they have a say on the final cut. 95 00:04:00,883 --> 00:04:02,798 Then -- surprise -- they didn't. 96 00:04:05,932 --> 00:04:07,368 Hey. 97 00:04:07,412 --> 00:04:10,066 Sorry. I, uh, totally forgot this was happening today. 98 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:11,285 We just started. 99 00:04:11,329 --> 00:04:12,634 Uh, don't forget to tell him about the, uh, 100 00:04:12,678 --> 00:04:13,679 forensics expert. 101 00:04:13,722 --> 00:04:14,941 I know. 102 00:04:14,984 --> 00:04:16,682 And the, uh -- the French prosecutor. 103 00:04:16,725 --> 00:04:17,944 I sent you that interview, right? 104 00:04:17,987 --> 00:04:19,598 He was biased against Aaron from the jump. 105 00:04:21,252 --> 00:04:23,297 I'm a decade older, 106 00:04:23,341 --> 00:04:25,212 but Aaron and I had similar upbringings -- 107 00:04:25,256 --> 00:04:27,214 rich parents, private schools. 108 00:04:27,258 --> 00:04:29,608 I'm just lucky social media didn't exist. 109 00:04:29,651 --> 00:04:31,218 Look, if I was in Aaron's generation, 110 00:04:31,262 --> 00:04:33,481 I would have just as much embarrassing footage as he did. 111 00:04:33,525 --> 00:04:36,484 Of what? You studying tort reform at 15? 112 00:04:36,528 --> 00:04:38,443 I got into trouble. 113 00:04:38,486 --> 00:04:39,922 - Uh-huh. - Okay. 114 00:04:39,966 --> 00:04:41,924 The point is, when you grow up in this world, 115 00:04:41,968 --> 00:04:44,405 you don't hear "no" a lot, which can make you a real ass-- 116 00:04:44,449 --> 00:04:46,146 can make you a very selfish person. 117 00:04:46,189 --> 00:04:47,365 ♪ Another day 118 00:04:47,408 --> 00:04:49,062 Aaron: Ooh-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo! 119 00:04:49,105 --> 00:04:50,716 Yo, they only got, like, five pairs of these 120 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:52,500 in the whole world, and I got a pair. 121 00:04:52,544 --> 00:04:53,762 You don't have a pair, but I do. 122 00:04:53,806 --> 00:04:55,764 What's up, what's up?! 123 00:04:55,808 --> 00:04:56,504 Hey, yo, what up, everybody? 124 00:04:56,548 --> 00:04:57,679 It's your boy, AT! 125 00:04:57,723 --> 00:04:59,464 My guy Patty P right here. 126 00:04:59,507 --> 00:05:02,815 We got a pool party tonight. Everybody come through. 127 00:05:02,858 --> 00:05:04,425 Got the matching, you know? 128 00:05:04,469 --> 00:05:05,861 - Got the matching. - And the shoes. 129 00:05:05,905 --> 00:05:07,472 Hey. Have fun. 130 00:05:07,515 --> 00:05:09,082 - You know what it is. - Hey! Whoa! 131 00:05:09,125 --> 00:05:10,605 You know the vibes. 132 00:05:10,649 --> 00:05:11,606 You know the vibes! 133 00:05:16,698 --> 00:05:19,005 $30,000 a bottle, 134 00:05:19,048 --> 00:05:20,485 and he didn't drink a sip. 135 00:05:20,528 --> 00:05:22,878 That boy lost his mind. 136 00:05:22,922 --> 00:05:24,576 I had to get him out of his comfort zone. 137 00:05:24,619 --> 00:05:26,839 I mean, I-I thought, you know, a semester abroad 138 00:05:26,882 --> 00:05:28,362 would've helped him mature, 139 00:05:28,406 --> 00:05:30,712 so I sent him to Paris. 140 00:05:36,675 --> 00:05:38,633 I was on scholarship. 141 00:05:38,677 --> 00:05:40,026 University of Michigan. 142 00:05:40,069 --> 00:05:41,723 Go Wolverines. 143 00:05:41,767 --> 00:05:43,638 I don't know why I said that. Can I please start over? 144 00:05:43,682 --> 00:05:46,119 Interviewer: You're doing fine. 145 00:05:46,162 --> 00:05:47,990 Uh, when did you first meet Aaron and Patrick? 146 00:05:48,034 --> 00:05:50,384 The program held a mixer when we first arrived. 147 00:05:50,428 --> 00:05:52,517 It was mostly just a bunch of awkward college students 148 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,301 butchering French, 149 00:05:54,345 --> 00:05:56,825 but Aaron and Patrick were from this whole other world. 150 00:05:56,869 --> 00:05:59,001 First impressions? 151 00:05:59,045 --> 00:06:03,179 I mean, honestly, they seemed like entitled douchebags. 152 00:06:03,223 --> 00:06:04,355 But then I got to know them. 153 00:06:04,398 --> 00:06:06,269 You know, it was like another planet -- 154 00:06:06,313 --> 00:06:07,662 Planet Rich. 155 00:06:07,706 --> 00:06:09,142 Patrick was the funniest. 156 00:06:09,185 --> 00:06:11,274 All that stuff you saw on Instagram, 157 00:06:11,318 --> 00:06:12,798 no, that's not who they were. 158 00:06:12,841 --> 00:06:14,843 Yeah, I mean, we went from the Two Musketeers to Four, 159 00:06:14,887 --> 00:06:16,149 you know, just like that. 160 00:06:16,192 --> 00:06:18,151 Me, Patrick, Rowan, and Everest, 161 00:06:18,194 --> 00:06:22,024 we were, uh, inseparable. 162 00:06:22,068 --> 00:06:24,287 And uh... 163 00:06:24,331 --> 00:06:26,464 Man, that feels like so long ago. 164 00:06:26,507 --> 00:06:27,639 Are you nervous about the reunion? 165 00:06:27,682 --> 00:06:28,857 A little. 166 00:06:28,901 --> 00:06:31,120 Or a lot. 167 00:06:31,164 --> 00:06:34,733 Yeah, I mean, um, I haven't seen them since the trial. 168 00:06:34,776 --> 00:06:37,518 And they all went home, graduated from college, 169 00:06:37,562 --> 00:06:39,651 got jobs, and... 170 00:06:39,694 --> 00:06:41,087 I went to prison. 171 00:06:41,130 --> 00:06:42,393 Do they believe in your innocence? 172 00:06:42,436 --> 00:06:44,220 Yeah, 100%. 173 00:06:44,264 --> 00:06:45,352 They've both said that. 174 00:06:45,396 --> 00:06:46,614 You know, there can be a big difference 175 00:06:46,658 --> 00:06:49,269 between what people say and what they believe. 176 00:06:52,751 --> 00:06:53,969 Sorry. Let's -- Hold on. 177 00:06:54,013 --> 00:06:56,276 Let me reset that. 178 00:06:56,319 --> 00:07:02,674 Sorry. 179 00:07:06,025 --> 00:07:08,288 Ro, Ro, good to see you, man! 180 00:07:08,331 --> 00:07:09,289 Yeah, you too, man. 181 00:07:09,332 --> 00:07:10,551 Yeah. You look so different. 182 00:07:10,595 --> 00:07:12,074 Yeah, I'm a little older. 183 00:07:12,118 --> 00:07:14,163 No, it's not that. I don't know. 184 00:07:14,207 --> 00:07:15,556 You're like a different guy. 185 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,471 Something like that. 186 00:07:17,515 --> 00:07:18,907 I think I'm gonna cry. Hey. 187 00:07:18,951 --> 00:07:20,431 No, no, no crying. You're gonna mess up my makeup. 188 00:07:20,474 --> 00:07:21,649 Oh! 189 00:07:21,693 --> 00:07:23,477 Oh, I'm sorry I didn't come sooner. 190 00:07:23,521 --> 00:07:24,826 No, d-- don't worry about it, really. 191 00:07:24,870 --> 00:07:27,438 I'm just glad to see you guys. 192 00:07:27,481 --> 00:07:29,178 Alright, so let's, uh, get inside. 193 00:07:29,222 --> 00:07:31,442 I got food, drinks... 194 00:07:31,485 --> 00:07:34,009 cameras, and, uh... 195 00:07:34,053 --> 00:07:35,837 I'm sorry. This is so weird. 196 00:07:35,881 --> 00:07:37,317 Hey, it's fine. We're just happy to see you, bro. 197 00:07:38,449 --> 00:07:39,580 Yeah, me too. Yeah. 198 00:07:39,624 --> 00:07:41,234 Yeah. Alright. 199 00:07:41,277 --> 00:07:42,365 Connor: Guys, I got to swap out my battery. 200 00:07:42,409 --> 00:07:43,845 Give me a second? 201 00:07:43,889 --> 00:07:45,499 Aaron: Okay. 202 00:07:53,333 --> 00:07:54,552 What the hell? 203 00:08:04,344 --> 00:08:05,867 Holy - 204 00:08:05,911 --> 00:08:07,521 Morris Mackey's throat had been cut. 205 00:08:07,565 --> 00:08:08,914 By the time his body was found, 206 00:08:08,957 --> 00:08:10,959 he'd been dead approximately four hours. 207 00:08:11,003 --> 00:08:12,787 Interviewer: And who were your initial suspects? 208 00:08:12,831 --> 00:08:14,310 Everyone who stepped foot in the house that day. 209 00:08:14,354 --> 00:08:15,311 Including Aaron. 210 00:08:15,355 --> 00:08:16,922 Everyone. 211 00:08:16,965 --> 00:08:19,620 - Interviewer: Good morning. - Good morning. 212 00:08:19,664 --> 00:08:20,403 It's nice to see you again. 213 00:08:20,447 --> 00:08:22,144 Nice to see you! 214 00:08:22,188 --> 00:08:23,145 I heard you were happy with how 215 00:08:23,189 --> 00:08:24,364 the last documentary came out. 216 00:08:24,407 --> 00:08:27,019 Oh, my God. It was so good, and -- and -- 217 00:08:27,062 --> 00:08:29,587 And I got so many compliments. 218 00:08:29,630 --> 00:08:32,720 Oh, that's great. How about you? 219 00:08:32,764 --> 00:08:34,548 Didn't see it. Can we get started? 220 00:08:34,592 --> 00:08:36,202 Uh, yeah. 221 00:08:36,245 --> 00:08:38,465 So, tell me what happened when you arrived at the scene. 222 00:08:38,509 --> 00:08:39,553 We were the first responders. 223 00:08:46,778 --> 00:08:47,953 Lucy: Whoa. 224 00:08:47,996 --> 00:08:48,954 Okay. 225 00:08:48,997 --> 00:08:51,173 It was a...frenetic day. 226 00:08:51,217 --> 00:08:55,569 So many people -- so -- so many personalities. 227 00:08:55,613 --> 00:08:58,006 But when you're talking a star-studded crime scene 228 00:08:58,050 --> 00:09:01,401 with a witness list comprised mostly of influencers, 229 00:09:01,444 --> 00:09:03,098 I guess that's no surprise. 230 00:09:03,142 --> 00:09:04,622 Alright, look, even with all those cameras 231 00:09:04,665 --> 00:09:07,102 and phones rolling in the house, none of them caught anything 232 00:09:07,146 --> 00:09:08,800 even remotely helpful to our investigation. 233 00:09:08,843 --> 00:09:10,323 Yeah. Luck? 234 00:09:10,366 --> 00:09:12,978 It just wasn't in our cards that day. 235 00:09:14,545 --> 00:09:15,546 What? Why are you so happy? 236 00:09:15,589 --> 00:09:18,026 I am being colorful. 237 00:09:18,070 --> 00:09:19,114 They will use more of our coverage 238 00:09:19,158 --> 00:09:20,551 if we give them evocative sound bites. 239 00:09:20,594 --> 00:09:21,943 I'm right, right? 240 00:09:21,987 --> 00:09:23,858 Can we get back to the murder? 241 00:09:23,902 --> 00:09:26,165 I followed protocols. You know, I -- I called it in, 242 00:09:26,208 --> 00:09:27,906 cleared the house, did everything right. 243 00:09:27,949 --> 00:09:29,255 - Lucy: Mm-hmm. - You believe me, right? 244 00:09:29,298 --> 00:09:30,735 O-Of course. 245 00:09:30,778 --> 00:09:32,475 I mean, but we have to follow protocol, too. 246 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:34,216 It's gonna be okay. 247 00:09:34,260 --> 00:09:35,870 I can't believe this is happening to me again. 248 00:09:35,914 --> 00:09:37,045 I know. 249 00:09:38,351 --> 00:09:41,136 A-Are you okay? 250 00:09:41,180 --> 00:09:42,921 I think I'm having, like, a panic attack. 251 00:09:42,964 --> 00:09:44,575 Oh, okay. Uh, just sit down, 252 00:09:44,618 --> 00:09:45,706 and I'm gonna grab you some water, okay? 253 00:09:45,750 --> 00:09:46,968 I'll be right back. 254 00:09:47,012 --> 00:09:48,666 Show's over. Time to go. 255 00:09:48,709 --> 00:09:51,407 What? Uh, no, no, no. No, it's not. 256 00:09:51,451 --> 00:09:53,453 This is my house, my production. 257 00:09:53,496 --> 00:09:54,454 The show goes on. 258 00:09:54,497 --> 00:09:55,629 Connor, keep filming. 259 00:09:55,673 --> 00:09:56,674 Yeah, that's not how this works. 260 00:09:56,717 --> 00:09:57,805 This is my crime scene. 261 00:09:57,849 --> 00:10:00,416 Shut it off now. 262 00:10:00,460 --> 00:10:01,592 Shut it off! 263 00:10:03,855 --> 00:10:05,030 There was nothing we could do. 264 00:10:05,073 --> 00:10:06,205 Tim: Well, thanks for coming out. 265 00:10:06,248 --> 00:10:07,510 Yeah. 266 00:10:07,554 --> 00:10:09,861 Our paramedic crew was short-staffed, 267 00:10:09,904 --> 00:10:13,255 and since we're all EMT-trained, I was subbing in. 268 00:10:13,299 --> 00:10:14,300 Interviewer: Oh, I don't understand. 269 00:10:14,343 --> 00:10:15,518 Why were you called in at all? 270 00:10:15,562 --> 00:10:17,172 He was clearly dead, right? 271 00:10:17,216 --> 00:10:19,566 You have no idea how many people I see look that way 272 00:10:19,610 --> 00:10:21,176 and then spring back to life. 273 00:10:21,220 --> 00:10:22,787 Oh. Interesting. 274 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:24,092 And what did you think at the time? 275 00:10:24,136 --> 00:10:25,659 Did it seem to you like Aaron did it? 276 00:10:25,703 --> 00:10:28,401 Of course not. He would never do anything like that. 277 00:10:28,444 --> 00:10:30,577 Really? And you're confident saying that -- 278 00:10:30,621 --> 00:10:33,188 considering your ex-husband? 279 00:10:33,232 --> 00:10:36,670 Wow. Okay. 280 00:10:36,714 --> 00:10:38,280 Ah, clearly, you come prepared. 281 00:10:38,324 --> 00:10:43,198 Yeah, um, I -- I married a sociopath once. 282 00:10:43,242 --> 00:10:46,288 So maybe I'm not the best judge of character. 283 00:10:46,332 --> 00:10:47,638 It's not about being a good judge of character. 284 00:10:47,681 --> 00:10:49,117 We judge by the facts. 285 00:10:49,161 --> 00:10:50,684 Interviewer: And what did the facts say? 286 00:10:50,728 --> 00:10:52,643 At first? 287 00:10:52,686 --> 00:10:53,905 Not much. 288 00:10:55,994 --> 00:10:57,735 How long you been here filming today? 289 00:10:57,778 --> 00:10:59,432 About three or four hours. 290 00:10:59,475 --> 00:11:00,607 After rehearsal this morning, 291 00:11:00,651 --> 00:11:02,000 they had Everest and me in the kitchen, 292 00:11:02,043 --> 00:11:03,523 getting our hair and makeup done 293 00:11:03,566 --> 00:11:05,003 while they filmed other stuff. 294 00:11:05,046 --> 00:11:06,482 Lucy: So you were in the kitchen the whole time? 295 00:11:06,526 --> 00:11:10,225 Uh, well, I did sneak off to crafty once or... 296 00:11:10,269 --> 00:11:11,705 four times. I heard they had ice cream, 297 00:11:11,749 --> 00:11:12,967 and I've been dieting like crazy 298 00:11:13,011 --> 00:11:14,229 'cause I was gonna be on television, 299 00:11:14,273 --> 00:11:15,753 and I heard the camera adds like 10 pounds. 300 00:11:15,796 --> 00:11:17,319 Is that true? 301 00:11:17,363 --> 00:11:18,973 Tim: So when was the last time you saw Morris? 302 00:11:19,017 --> 00:11:20,801 Honestly, I ain't seen him all day. 303 00:11:20,845 --> 00:11:22,107 I was dealing with work stuff 304 00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:23,891 right up until we started filming. 305 00:11:23,935 --> 00:11:25,937 Lucy: And where were you when Morris's body was found? 306 00:11:25,980 --> 00:11:27,895 In my office. 307 00:11:27,939 --> 00:11:29,070 And how would you characterize 308 00:11:29,114 --> 00:11:31,333 Aaron's relationship with Morris? 309 00:11:34,336 --> 00:11:35,947 It's important you tell the truth. 310 00:11:38,166 --> 00:11:40,516 They didn't always agree about the direction of the show. 311 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:42,301 But my son, he would never hurt anyone. 312 00:11:49,656 --> 00:11:52,441 Hey, do we really have to do this in here? 313 00:11:52,485 --> 00:11:53,704 Yes, we do, son. 314 00:11:55,793 --> 00:11:58,709 Per government code 3300 and per Lybarger, 315 00:11:58,752 --> 00:12:01,189 I am required to advise that you do not have 316 00:12:01,233 --> 00:12:02,843 the right to remain silent. 317 00:12:02,887 --> 00:12:05,541 Anything you say can and will be used against you. 318 00:12:05,585 --> 00:12:08,370 Refusal to fully and completely answer 319 00:12:08,414 --> 00:12:11,069 all of Detective Lopez's questions 320 00:12:11,112 --> 00:12:14,507 will result in immediate termination. 321 00:12:14,550 --> 00:12:17,684 Do you understand? 322 00:12:17,728 --> 00:12:18,772 Yes, sir. 323 00:12:18,816 --> 00:12:20,078 And I'm here to protect you 324 00:12:20,121 --> 00:12:21,819 as your union representative. 325 00:12:21,862 --> 00:12:23,603 This is your choice. 326 00:12:23,646 --> 00:12:25,561 But like Sergeant Grey said, 327 00:12:25,605 --> 00:12:27,781 if you choose not to cooperate, you will lose your job. 328 00:12:27,825 --> 00:12:28,956 Of course I'll cooperate. 329 00:12:31,263 --> 00:12:32,220 Good man. 330 00:12:34,483 --> 00:12:35,702 Alright. 331 00:12:35,746 --> 00:12:36,790 I'll leave you to it. 332 00:12:40,707 --> 00:12:41,839 I didn't kill Morris. 333 00:12:46,104 --> 00:12:49,977 When I saw him lying there, like Patrick... 334 00:12:50,021 --> 00:12:51,370 Lopez: I understand. 335 00:12:51,413 --> 00:12:53,111 But it was common knowledge that you and Morris 336 00:12:53,154 --> 00:12:54,721 weren't on the best of terms. 337 00:12:54,765 --> 00:12:58,116 Who are you with? TMZ? 338 00:12:58,159 --> 00:12:59,726 You still feeding off my grief, - you vultures?! - Come on, guys. 339 00:12:59,770 --> 00:13:00,727 Morris, - what are you doing, man? - Get 'em out of here, man! 340 00:13:00,771 --> 00:13:02,729 Get out of here now! Go! 341 00:13:02,773 --> 00:13:04,818 Yeah, what he did to Patrick's dad 342 00:13:04,862 --> 00:13:08,561 was callous and exploitative, 343 00:13:08,604 --> 00:13:10,389 but I wouldn't kill him for it. 344 00:13:10,432 --> 00:13:11,825 Harper: Yeah, that was bad. 345 00:13:11,869 --> 00:13:15,350 Aaron pulled over Patrick's dad in a routine car stop. 346 00:13:15,394 --> 00:13:17,875 It was a total random reunion, 347 00:13:17,918 --> 00:13:21,313 but Morris and his cameraman were there filming, 348 00:13:21,356 --> 00:13:23,663 and that just made everything worse. 349 00:13:23,706 --> 00:13:27,058 Dexter Hayes, he was a -- a grieving father, you know? 350 00:13:27,101 --> 00:13:31,018 And he -- he took a swing at Officer Thorsen, 351 00:13:31,062 --> 00:13:32,150 so we had to book him, 352 00:13:32,193 --> 00:13:35,196 but we let him go as soon as we could. 353 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,590 And, you know, I thought that would be the end of it. 354 00:13:37,633 --> 00:13:38,852 Interviewer: But you suspected that Patrick's dad 355 00:13:38,896 --> 00:13:41,072 - could have killed Morris? - We did. 356 00:13:41,115 --> 00:13:44,075 He was furious about "Every Rose Has A --" 357 00:13:44,118 --> 00:13:46,338 about the reality show. 358 00:13:46,381 --> 00:13:49,907 And after years of the press feeding off of his grief, 359 00:13:49,950 --> 00:13:52,823 yeah, it was believable that he could've snapped. 360 00:13:52,866 --> 00:13:54,955 This is absurd. You do know that? 361 00:13:54,999 --> 00:13:55,869 Tim: Alright, sir, can you tell me where you were 362 00:13:55,913 --> 00:13:57,305 yesterday afternoon? 363 00:13:57,349 --> 00:13:59,873 I was in the office, morning to midnight. 364 00:13:59,917 --> 00:14:01,875 Ask any one of my employees. 365 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:03,616 I didn't do this. 366 00:14:03,659 --> 00:14:05,618 Any idea who did? 367 00:14:05,661 --> 00:14:08,708 I can tell you that whoever killed that man, 368 00:14:08,751 --> 00:14:11,842 his last name is Thorsen. 369 00:14:11,885 --> 00:14:14,670 I blame myself for ever letting them into Patrick's life. 370 00:14:14,714 --> 00:14:16,020 They're a sick family. 371 00:14:16,063 --> 00:14:18,457 And Aaron is not the only killer among them. 372 00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:19,762 Interviewer: What did he mean by that? 373 00:14:19,806 --> 00:14:20,981 You know what he meant by that. 374 00:14:21,025 --> 00:14:23,375 And we knew from the reality show 375 00:14:23,418 --> 00:14:25,899 that Morris gave Aaron's father a clear motive. 376 00:14:25,943 --> 00:14:28,554 And that's what I was thinking for the opening theme. 377 00:14:28,597 --> 00:14:29,511 Yeah? Yeah. 378 00:14:29,555 --> 00:14:30,251 I like it. 379 00:14:30,295 --> 00:14:31,818 You do? 380 00:14:31,862 --> 00:14:33,428 Almost as much as I like you. 381 00:14:33,472 --> 00:14:34,952 Mm. 382 00:14:34,995 --> 00:14:36,910 You're so sweet. 383 00:14:36,954 --> 00:14:38,390 Oh. 384 00:14:38,433 --> 00:14:39,521 Lincoln: Hey! 385 00:14:39,565 --> 00:14:41,654 You hooking up with my wife, man?! 386 00:14:41,697 --> 00:14:42,916 Linc, it's not what you think. 387 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,440 Boy, you better get the hell up out of here! 388 00:14:48,182 --> 00:14:49,836 What the hell was that?! 389 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,969 Are you seriously doing this to me again?! 390 00:14:52,012 --> 00:14:53,448 In my own house! 391 00:14:53,492 --> 00:14:54,885 Interview: There's footage of Lincoln catching 392 00:14:54,928 --> 00:14:56,756 Morris and Yvonne in an intimate moment. 393 00:14:56,799 --> 00:14:58,932 That had to factor into your investigation. 394 00:14:58,976 --> 00:15:01,239 Jealousy is a primal motive. 395 00:15:01,282 --> 00:15:02,631 And some believe that Lincoln had killed 396 00:15:02,675 --> 00:15:04,155 for jealousy once before. 397 00:15:04,198 --> 00:15:06,461 He was a suspect in a 20-year-old murder, wasn't he? 398 00:15:06,505 --> 00:15:07,462 Yes, he was. 399 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:16,994 Interviewer: What can you tell me about your father's hip-hop duo, Flex n' Flow? 400 00:15:17,037 --> 00:15:17,951 I mean, I was, like, a baby, you know, 401 00:15:17,995 --> 00:15:19,518 when they were at their height. 402 00:15:19,561 --> 00:15:22,390 And, uh, that was the year "Make Da Noise" went platinum. 403 00:15:22,434 --> 00:15:23,391 Interviewer: Flex n' Flow had one of the most 404 00:15:23,435 --> 00:15:24,958 iconic singles of the late '90s. 405 00:15:25,002 --> 00:15:26,351 Oh, my God. "Make Da Noise"? 406 00:15:26,394 --> 00:15:29,441 That's like one of my go-to karaoke jams. 407 00:15:29,484 --> 00:15:31,008 ♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪ 408 00:15:31,051 --> 00:15:32,183 ♪ The party's never stoppin' ♪ 409 00:15:32,226 --> 00:15:33,358 ♪ Who da boyz that make da noise? ♪ 410 00:15:33,401 --> 00:15:35,534 ♪ Flex 'n Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 411 00:15:35,577 --> 00:15:36,535 Can I be interviewed alone? 412 00:15:38,667 --> 00:15:39,973 Yeah, we comin' for you. 413 00:15:40,017 --> 00:15:41,018 ♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪ 414 00:15:41,061 --> 00:15:42,367 ♪ This party's never stoppin' ♪ 415 00:15:42,410 --> 00:15:43,542 ♪ We're the boyz who make da noise ♪ 416 00:15:43,585 --> 00:15:44,891 ♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 417 00:15:44,935 --> 00:15:46,327 ♪ My crib, it's all a-poppin' ♪ 418 00:15:46,371 --> 00:15:47,763 ♪ This party's never stoppin' ♪ 419 00:15:47,807 --> 00:15:48,939 ♪ We're the boyz who make da noise ♪ 420 00:15:48,982 --> 00:15:50,114 ♪ Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ♪ 421 00:15:50,157 --> 00:15:51,245 ♪ Flex n' Flow 422 00:16:00,515 --> 00:16:02,604 Oh, yes, that's me. 423 00:16:02,648 --> 00:16:05,085 I was a Flow Girl. 424 00:16:05,129 --> 00:16:06,913 Wait. What? 425 00:16:06,957 --> 00:16:09,785 There was a scout who saw me cheering in high school, 426 00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:11,483 and he asked me to audition. 427 00:16:11,526 --> 00:16:13,833 At first, I thought he was just trying to get in my pants. 428 00:16:13,876 --> 00:16:19,099 But it turned out to be legit, and it was for Flex n' Flow. 429 00:16:19,143 --> 00:16:21,145 I was the biggest fan. 430 00:16:21,188 --> 00:16:22,450 Interviewer: What are you wearing, by the way? 431 00:16:22,494 --> 00:16:25,801 Oh, I teach capoeira on Thursdays and Sundays. 432 00:16:25,845 --> 00:16:26,977 Oh. 433 00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:28,717 Did you ever see Flex n' Flow argue 434 00:16:28,761 --> 00:16:29,631 while you were working with them? 435 00:16:29,675 --> 00:16:32,330 Mm, I mean...well, sure, 436 00:16:32,373 --> 00:16:34,158 but nothing serious. 437 00:16:34,201 --> 00:16:36,073 They were like brothers, and brothers fight. 438 00:16:36,116 --> 00:16:37,509 What do you say to the people who are convinced 439 00:16:37,552 --> 00:16:39,380 that your husband killed his late partner? 440 00:16:39,424 --> 00:16:42,383 Oh, honey, this alleged "feud" between Linc and Calvin 441 00:16:42,427 --> 00:16:45,256 has gotten blown way out of proportion over the years. 442 00:16:45,299 --> 00:16:47,214 But what about the night of Calvin's murder? 443 00:16:47,258 --> 00:16:49,390 The infamous pre-release party for "2 Hype Homies"? 444 00:16:49,434 --> 00:16:52,045 Did the party get a little wild? Sure. 445 00:16:52,089 --> 00:16:54,265 Did the police come and break it up? Mm-hmm. 446 00:16:54,308 --> 00:16:57,050 And did Linc and Calvin argue? You bet. 447 00:16:57,094 --> 00:16:59,096 But they were just passionate people. 448 00:16:59,139 --> 00:17:02,229 And nobody ever threatened nobody. 449 00:17:02,273 --> 00:17:05,580 Yeah, they, uh -- they threatened each other. 450 00:17:05,624 --> 00:17:06,755 I was there. 451 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:08,409 I was a rookie officer then. 452 00:17:08,453 --> 00:17:11,195 And my T.O. and I had got a 415 call 453 00:17:11,238 --> 00:17:13,675 for an out-of-control party. 454 00:17:13,719 --> 00:17:17,549 It was a record release event for Flex n' Flow. 455 00:17:17,592 --> 00:17:20,073 But anyway, as we were breaking things up, 456 00:17:20,117 --> 00:17:22,423 I saw Flex n' Flow in each other's faces. 457 00:17:22,467 --> 00:17:24,077 Interviewer: Could you hear what they were fighting about? 458 00:17:24,121 --> 00:17:27,298 No. Um, as I approached, their limousine was pulling up. 459 00:17:27,341 --> 00:17:29,169 But Flex -- um -- 460 00:17:29,213 --> 00:17:31,824 um, I'm sorry, Lincoln -- was still very hot. 461 00:17:31,867 --> 00:17:36,524 He refused to get into the limo with Flow, and, um... 462 00:17:36,568 --> 00:17:39,005 Yeah, he said that he'd rather walk 463 00:17:39,049 --> 00:17:41,268 than to deal with Flow's nonsense. 464 00:17:41,312 --> 00:17:42,530 Um... 465 00:17:42,574 --> 00:17:44,532 It was a good thing, too. 466 00:17:44,576 --> 00:17:46,795 Anchor: A devastating loss for the music industry today, 467 00:17:46,839 --> 00:17:50,799 as Calvin Yard, one half of the popular duo Flex n' Flow, 468 00:17:50,843 --> 00:17:53,150 was gunned down in Los Angeles last night 469 00:17:53,193 --> 00:17:55,674 after leaving his record launch party. 470 00:17:55,717 --> 00:17:57,589 It couldn't have been more than five minutes later 471 00:17:57,632 --> 00:18:00,113 that we got a shots-fired call. 472 00:18:00,157 --> 00:18:04,552 As Flow's limo was making the turn on La Cienega, 473 00:18:04,596 --> 00:18:07,947 a car pulled alongside it and unloaded 20 rounds 474 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:09,427 at the rear of the vehicle. 475 00:18:10,906 --> 00:18:13,431 Um, Flow was shot seven times. 476 00:18:14,910 --> 00:18:17,174 Yeah. 477 00:18:17,217 --> 00:18:19,393 That was my first homicide. 478 00:18:19,437 --> 00:18:20,916 I'll never forget it. 479 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,831 It changes you. 480 00:18:22,875 --> 00:18:27,140 I did not have anything to do with Calvin's death. 481 00:18:27,184 --> 00:18:28,620 Interviewer: But at the time of his murder, all the talk was -- 482 00:18:28,663 --> 00:18:29,925 That was garbage, man. 483 00:18:29,969 --> 00:18:31,144 All garbage. 484 00:18:31,188 --> 00:18:32,319 I loved Calvin like a brother. 485 00:18:32,363 --> 00:18:34,321 You know, this -- 486 00:18:34,365 --> 00:18:35,888 this is straight-up exploitive. 487 00:18:35,931 --> 00:18:38,847 Calvin's murder was solved decades ago, and you know it. 488 00:18:38,891 --> 00:18:42,286 A man named Gary Brown was convicted of Flow's murder. 489 00:18:42,329 --> 00:18:44,766 It turns out Flow was sleeping with Gary's wife. 490 00:18:44,810 --> 00:18:48,248 So as far as the LAPD was concerned, case closed. 491 00:18:48,292 --> 00:18:50,642 Yeah, but the aura of guilt haunted Lincoln's reputation 492 00:18:50,685 --> 00:18:52,774 like a dark shroud. 493 00:18:52,818 --> 00:18:53,906 I'm sorry. 494 00:18:53,949 --> 00:18:56,256 That was really good. 495 00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:58,171 Thanks. 496 00:18:58,215 --> 00:19:00,086 And with Lincoln alibi'd out, you know, 497 00:19:00,130 --> 00:19:02,349 the investigation focused on Yvonne. 498 00:19:02,393 --> 00:19:04,438 Mrs. Thorsen, how long had you been having an affair 499 00:19:04,482 --> 00:19:05,352 with Morris Mackey? 500 00:19:05,396 --> 00:19:06,788 Please. 501 00:19:06,832 --> 00:19:08,442 I was not sleeping with him. 502 00:19:08,486 --> 00:19:11,010 But the footage -- from "Every Rose Has A Thorsen" -- 503 00:19:11,053 --> 00:19:13,578 - we saw it. - That was for the show. 504 00:19:13,621 --> 00:19:15,362 What, are you saying you staged it? 505 00:19:15,406 --> 00:19:18,626 It's a reality show. Of course we staged it. 506 00:19:18,670 --> 00:19:20,672 I can prove it. I have the rest of the footage. 507 00:19:20,715 --> 00:19:22,891 Boy, you better get the hell up out of here! 508 00:19:25,677 --> 00:19:27,113 What the hell was that?! 509 00:19:27,157 --> 00:19:29,463 Are you seriously doing this to me again?! 510 00:19:29,507 --> 00:19:30,464 In my own house! 511 00:19:30,508 --> 00:19:32,814 You got some nerve! 512 00:19:32,858 --> 00:19:34,642 L-Let's talk about all the women you slept with 513 00:19:34,686 --> 00:19:36,427 when you were F-Flex? 514 00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:38,429 Morris: Cut! 515 00:19:38,472 --> 00:19:40,431 Cut, cut, cut, cut. 516 00:19:40,474 --> 00:19:43,782 Linc, buddy, you're going off-script. 517 00:19:43,825 --> 00:19:44,957 "I can't believe you're seriously 518 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,263 doing this to me again"? 519 00:19:46,306 --> 00:19:47,873 That's not the line. 520 00:19:47,916 --> 00:19:49,309 Yeah, man, I was improv'ing a little. 521 00:19:49,353 --> 00:19:51,181 Yeah, maybe not do that, okay? 522 00:19:51,224 --> 00:19:52,834 It's a lot more powerful if this is the first time 523 00:19:52,878 --> 00:19:54,227 Yvonne has stepped out on you. 524 00:19:54,271 --> 00:19:56,229 Okay. So, Morris, how did I do? 525 00:19:56,273 --> 00:19:57,883 It was a bit big. 526 00:19:57,926 --> 00:19:59,798 Yeah, maybe, uh, dial it back a hair. 527 00:19:59,841 --> 00:20:01,016 Let's go again. 528 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:02,627 Man: Back to one. 529 00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:03,889 Go. 530 00:20:03,932 --> 00:20:04,977 We're making a show, people. 531 00:20:06,892 --> 00:20:09,547 None of that was in the footage you turned over to us. 532 00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:11,201 Oops. My bad. 533 00:20:11,244 --> 00:20:13,507 We want everything -- now -- 534 00:20:13,551 --> 00:20:15,509 or you'll be arrested for obstruction. 535 00:20:15,553 --> 00:20:17,990 Ooh, that was good. 536 00:20:18,033 --> 00:20:19,992 Do you think I can get a copy of that? 537 00:20:20,035 --> 00:20:21,994 That will play really well in the show. 538 00:20:22,037 --> 00:20:23,691 Mrs. Thorsen, this is serious. 539 00:20:23,735 --> 00:20:25,519 Morris Mackey was murdered in your house. 540 00:20:25,563 --> 00:20:27,086 Your son is still a suspect. 541 00:20:27,129 --> 00:20:29,131 Just like the police to only focus 542 00:20:29,175 --> 00:20:31,264 on what's in front of their nose. 543 00:20:31,308 --> 00:20:33,919 Morris Mackey didn't just appear out of thin air 544 00:20:33,962 --> 00:20:35,399 when he started working for me. 545 00:20:35,442 --> 00:20:37,966 Honey, the man had enemies. 546 00:20:43,189 --> 00:20:44,625 They're the crazy ones! 547 00:20:44,669 --> 00:20:46,148 We're the sane ones! 548 00:20:46,192 --> 00:20:48,281 You're the cult! You're sheep! 549 00:20:48,325 --> 00:20:50,414 Prior to working with the Thorsen family, 550 00:20:50,457 --> 00:20:53,939 Morris had been hired by a bunch of QAnon conspiracy theorists. 551 00:20:53,982 --> 00:20:55,941 Apparently, they didn't like the negative publicity 552 00:20:55,984 --> 00:20:57,203 they were getting, 553 00:20:57,247 --> 00:20:59,249 and they wanted to show their side. 554 00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:00,467 Try to control the narrative. 555 00:21:00,511 --> 00:21:01,729 - Mm. - Interviewer: So what happened? 556 00:21:01,773 --> 00:21:03,688 Morris was allowed into the inner sanctum. 557 00:21:03,731 --> 00:21:06,430 Conducted dozens of interviews with founders and followers. 558 00:21:06,473 --> 00:21:08,475 But he didn't make a propaganda film, 559 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:09,781 he told the truth. 560 00:21:09,824 --> 00:21:11,043 We're in a war. 561 00:21:11,086 --> 00:21:12,784 Every one of us is prepared to start killing 562 00:21:12,827 --> 00:21:13,959 for our freedom. 563 00:21:14,002 --> 00:21:15,134 Morris may have won an Emmy, 564 00:21:15,177 --> 00:21:16,788 but he also pissed off a lot of unhinged 565 00:21:16,831 --> 00:21:18,529 and hyper-violent people. 566 00:21:18,572 --> 00:21:20,139 The storm is coming. 567 00:21:20,182 --> 00:21:20,792 There will be retribution. 568 00:21:25,057 --> 00:21:28,495 Interviewer: I've heard rumors that you have insight into the QAnon angle on this case. 569 00:21:28,539 --> 00:21:30,628 Have you ever tried to put toothpaste back in the tube? 570 00:21:30,671 --> 00:21:32,717 Look, I know it's an expression, 571 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,197 but have you actually tried to do it? 572 00:21:35,241 --> 00:21:36,764 I have. 573 00:21:36,808 --> 00:21:38,592 It's basically impossible. 574 00:21:38,636 --> 00:21:40,333 And what do you think Q is trying to tell people 575 00:21:40,377 --> 00:21:43,075 with his Q-Drops, these cryptic messages? 576 00:21:43,118 --> 00:21:44,642 I really wasn't trying to say anything. 577 00:21:44,685 --> 00:21:47,601 I was just typing, and maybe I got a little carried away. 578 00:21:47,645 --> 00:21:49,168 Wait. What did you say? 579 00:21:50,648 --> 00:21:53,999 Well, I guess now is as good a time as any to reveal it. 580 00:21:56,393 --> 00:21:58,090 I'm Q. 581 00:21:58,133 --> 00:21:59,439 Smitty is Q? 582 00:21:59,483 --> 00:22:00,440 I'm sorry. What? 583 00:22:00,484 --> 00:22:02,050 - Lord, give me strength. - What? 584 00:22:02,094 --> 00:22:04,618 A lot of writers use pseudonyms. 585 00:22:04,662 --> 00:22:07,317 Q is my first initial, so... 586 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:08,753 Hey, is my name down there? 587 00:22:10,929 --> 00:22:11,973 But it was an accident? 588 00:22:12,017 --> 00:22:14,367 He -- He didn't start it on purpose? 589 00:22:14,411 --> 00:22:15,499 Interviewer: That's what he said. 590 00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:16,978 Yeah, sounds like Smitty. 591 00:22:17,022 --> 00:22:19,111 I was trying to start the fan-fiction club 592 00:22:19,154 --> 00:22:21,722 for "This Is Us," and things just got out of hand. 593 00:22:21,766 --> 00:22:23,333 Interviewer: What the hell does "This is Us" fanfic 594 00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:24,682 have to do with a cult? 595 00:22:24,725 --> 00:22:27,815 I mistakenly mixed cough syrup with diet pills 596 00:22:27,859 --> 00:22:30,470 when I was writing this satanic, alien story line 597 00:22:30,514 --> 00:22:32,603 for Jack and Rebecca. 598 00:22:32,646 --> 00:22:35,388 I woke up the next morning and read it -- 599 00:22:35,432 --> 00:22:36,737 none of it made sense. 600 00:22:36,781 --> 00:22:39,044 But, overnight, I'd gotten so many followers, 601 00:22:39,087 --> 00:22:40,350 I just went with it. 602 00:22:40,393 --> 00:22:42,830 You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. 603 00:22:44,441 --> 00:22:48,140 Morris had received threats from hundreds of QAnon followers, 604 00:22:48,183 --> 00:22:50,621 but when we started investigating them, 605 00:22:50,664 --> 00:22:52,666 one immediately stood out. 606 00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:53,972 Interviewer: Tell me about Connor Hart. 607 00:22:54,015 --> 00:22:55,452 What about him got your attention? 608 00:22:55,495 --> 00:22:58,150 Well, he was working as a cameraman on the reality show, 609 00:22:58,193 --> 00:23:00,413 so -- that. 610 00:23:01,588 --> 00:23:04,112 Tim: Connor, thanks for coming down. 611 00:23:04,156 --> 00:23:05,505 I'm not in trouble, am I? 612 00:23:05,549 --> 00:23:08,595 No. We just need to clear a few things up. 613 00:23:08,639 --> 00:23:10,989 I told you everything I know. 614 00:23:11,032 --> 00:23:14,122 I was getting a battery, and he was just lying there. 615 00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:15,646 I'm not sure if you're aware, 616 00:23:15,689 --> 00:23:18,170 but it's common to run background checks on witnesses. 617 00:23:18,213 --> 00:23:19,911 And when we looked into you, we discovered 618 00:23:19,954 --> 00:23:21,173 that you're a member of QAnon. 619 00:23:21,216 --> 00:23:22,827 No, no, no, I -- 620 00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:24,829 I may have gone to a political rally or two, 621 00:23:24,872 --> 00:23:26,221 but I'm really not into that. 622 00:23:26,265 --> 00:23:27,962 I swear. 623 00:23:28,006 --> 00:23:29,616 We're in a war. 624 00:23:29,660 --> 00:23:32,489 Every one of us is prepared to start killing for our freedom. 625 00:23:32,532 --> 00:23:34,055 The storm is coming. 626 00:23:34,099 --> 00:23:35,492 There will be retribution. 627 00:23:41,062 --> 00:23:43,630 So, clearly, you are a follower of Q. 628 00:23:43,674 --> 00:23:44,849 Why would you work for Morris? 629 00:23:44,892 --> 00:23:46,459 Honestly? 630 00:23:46,503 --> 00:23:47,895 I realized Morris was the best thing 631 00:23:47,939 --> 00:23:49,636 that could have happened to the movement. 632 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:50,855 That makes no sense. 633 00:23:50,898 --> 00:23:52,683 But it does. 634 00:23:52,726 --> 00:23:55,468 Morris's documentary exposed who was a true believer. 635 00:23:55,512 --> 00:23:57,775 And who wasn't. 636 00:23:57,818 --> 00:24:00,038 He never admitted it, 637 00:24:00,081 --> 00:24:03,128 but I think Morris was working for Q. 638 00:24:03,171 --> 00:24:04,999 That's why I followed him to the next gig. 639 00:24:05,043 --> 00:24:07,175 Do you still consider yourself a believer of Q? 640 00:24:07,219 --> 00:24:10,309 Well, some stuff didn't come true. 641 00:24:10,352 --> 00:24:12,442 The London bombing, the Pope's arrest, 642 00:24:12,485 --> 00:24:13,834 Zuckerberg still has a job. 643 00:24:13,878 --> 00:24:15,575 January 20th came and went, 644 00:24:15,619 --> 00:24:17,708 March 4th came and went. 645 00:24:17,751 --> 00:24:20,493 I'm starting to think Kennedy is still dead. 646 00:24:20,537 --> 00:24:21,625 Both of them. 647 00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:22,930 Mm. 648 00:24:22,974 --> 00:24:25,933 So you don't believe in Q anymore? 649 00:24:25,977 --> 00:24:27,674 Oh, I believe every word. 650 00:24:27,718 --> 00:24:29,197 Connor was, um -- 651 00:24:29,241 --> 00:24:31,069 Deranged? 652 00:24:31,112 --> 00:24:33,506 Let's say... reality-challenged, 653 00:24:33,550 --> 00:24:35,290 which doesn't make him a killer. 654 00:24:35,334 --> 00:24:38,076 No. And the fact that he had a camera on his shoulder 655 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,947 for the entire murder window 656 00:24:39,991 --> 00:24:41,949 means that he couldn't have killed Morris, 657 00:24:41,993 --> 00:24:44,082 so we were back to square one. 658 00:24:44,125 --> 00:24:45,910 Interviewer: When the QAnon lead didn't pan out, 659 00:24:45,953 --> 00:24:47,738 how did you pick up the pieces of the case? 660 00:24:47,781 --> 00:24:50,480 We rolled up our sleeves and put in the hours. 661 00:24:50,523 --> 00:24:52,003 We took on the painstaking process 662 00:24:52,046 --> 00:24:54,745 of reviewing every piece of video Morris shot 663 00:24:54,788 --> 00:24:56,224 in the weeks before he died, 664 00:24:56,268 --> 00:25:00,228 including the footage Yvonne "forgot" to give us. 665 00:25:00,272 --> 00:25:02,056 Until I found something that changed everything. 666 00:25:04,624 --> 00:25:06,800 Lopez! 667 00:25:06,844 --> 00:25:08,367 Come look at this! 668 00:25:08,410 --> 00:25:10,064 So I immediately informed Detective Lopez 669 00:25:10,108 --> 00:25:11,022 of what I discovered. 670 00:25:11,065 --> 00:25:11,805 Look what I just found. 671 00:25:11,849 --> 00:25:13,241 Wow. 672 00:25:13,285 --> 00:25:14,242 What? 673 00:25:14,286 --> 00:25:16,114 Look. 674 00:25:16,157 --> 00:25:17,811 Morris: Okay. 675 00:25:23,513 --> 00:25:26,167 I thought I knew everything about Patrick's murder. 676 00:25:26,211 --> 00:25:28,474 I had done my homework. 677 00:25:28,518 --> 00:25:32,913 But the truth was hiding right in front of me all this time. 678 00:25:32,957 --> 00:25:35,960 I know who killed Patrick Hayes. 679 00:25:36,003 --> 00:25:37,135 And I can prove it. I -- 680 00:25:40,094 --> 00:25:41,095 Uh, someone's here. 681 00:25:42,532 --> 00:25:43,707 More to follow. 682 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:45,099 Nolan: That video was recorded 683 00:25:45,143 --> 00:25:47,014 minutes before Morris was murdered. 684 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:53,717 Interviewer: I mean, Morris claiming that he knew 685 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,979 who the killer was must've been energizing for you. 686 00:25:55,022 --> 00:25:55,980 Finally. A break in your roommate's murder -- 687 00:25:56,023 --> 00:25:58,330 No, he -- He wasn't my roommate. 688 00:25:58,373 --> 00:26:00,811 And I -- I hate when people call him that -- 689 00:26:00,854 --> 00:26:02,334 you know, like we found each other 690 00:26:02,377 --> 00:26:04,728 on some French Craigslist or something like that. 691 00:26:04,771 --> 00:26:06,077 Patrick was my best friend, 692 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:07,557 from the time that we were little kids. 693 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,819 I mean, I was at his house so often, 694 00:26:08,862 --> 00:26:10,647 his dad bought us two of everything, 695 00:26:10,690 --> 00:26:11,952 you know, like siblings. 696 00:26:11,996 --> 00:26:13,737 Yeah, Patrick was my brother. 697 00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:15,173 How did it feel to hear that Morris thought 698 00:26:15,216 --> 00:26:17,044 he'd discovered who killed Patrick? 699 00:26:17,088 --> 00:26:21,396 I mean, there had been so many theories over the years. 700 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,138 And so many people think that they had it figured out. 701 00:26:24,182 --> 00:26:27,707 I -- I just never really got my hopes up about it. 702 00:26:27,751 --> 00:26:29,491 This was different, though. I mean, he made a break 703 00:26:29,535 --> 00:26:30,841 in the case and died minutes later. 704 00:26:30,884 --> 00:26:32,756 You have to see the connection. 705 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:37,151 Well, uh, in the words of Detective Harper -- 706 00:26:37,195 --> 00:26:40,285 We look for facts, not stories. 707 00:26:40,328 --> 00:26:41,982 Yeah, sure, but, I mean, the timing -- 708 00:26:42,026 --> 00:26:44,158 I mean, these murders had to be related. 709 00:26:44,202 --> 00:26:46,639 Whoever killed Patrick also killed Morris. 710 00:26:46,683 --> 00:26:47,901 Interviewer: Is it possible Morris found out 711 00:26:47,945 --> 00:26:49,642 that Aaron was the killer all along? 712 00:26:49,686 --> 00:26:51,165 Not a chance. The Paris police 713 00:26:51,209 --> 00:26:54,691 never had a shred of evidence against Aaron. 714 00:26:54,734 --> 00:26:56,388 They fumbled the entire case. 715 00:26:56,431 --> 00:26:57,694 Right off the bat, the paparazzi 716 00:26:57,737 --> 00:26:59,478 completely contaminated the crime scene. 717 00:27:16,713 --> 00:27:18,802 Interviewer: But Aaron's DNA was all over the murder weapon. 718 00:27:18,845 --> 00:27:20,412 You mean the knife the killer pulled 719 00:27:20,455 --> 00:27:22,849 from the kitchen block on Aaron and Patrick's counter? 720 00:27:22,893 --> 00:27:25,417 What -- What do you want to bet that if we went to your house, 721 00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:27,593 we'd find your DNA all over your stuff, too? 722 00:27:27,637 --> 00:27:29,900 I mean -- 723 00:27:29,943 --> 00:27:31,336 Was that too mean? 724 00:27:31,379 --> 00:27:33,947 No, that actually felt good. 725 00:27:33,991 --> 00:27:35,514 It was a dumb question. 726 00:27:35,557 --> 00:27:37,037 From the beginning, the French police's case 727 00:27:37,081 --> 00:27:38,691 against Aaron seemed flawed -- 728 00:27:38,735 --> 00:27:40,693 Oh, yeah. Their case was a mess -- 729 00:27:40,737 --> 00:27:43,261 and their forensics were compromised. 730 00:27:43,304 --> 00:27:45,698 I mean, the theory that Aaron killed Patrick 731 00:27:45,742 --> 00:27:47,961 because he didn't do his share of the chores never made sense. 732 00:27:48,005 --> 00:27:50,050 For one thing, they had a housekeeper. 733 00:27:50,094 --> 00:27:51,617 For another, Aaron is not a psychopath, 734 00:27:51,661 --> 00:27:53,445 which you would have to be to stab your roommate 735 00:27:53,488 --> 00:27:55,577 for leaving dirty dishes in the sink. 736 00:27:55,621 --> 00:27:59,059 I mean, I've come close to stabbing him over dirty dishes, 737 00:27:59,103 --> 00:28:01,627 but that's different -- we're married. 738 00:28:01,671 --> 00:28:02,889 Mm. 739 00:28:02,933 --> 00:28:04,195 Interviewer: What do you say to the theory 740 00:28:04,238 --> 00:28:06,240 that Aaron had a falling out with his roommate? 741 00:28:06,284 --> 00:28:08,982 Aaron and Patrick were out partying that night. 742 00:28:09,026 --> 00:28:10,680 Does that sound like a broken friendship 743 00:28:10,723 --> 00:28:12,290 careening towards murder? 744 00:28:12,333 --> 00:28:14,509 By his own admission, Aaron was taking prescription drugs. 745 00:28:14,553 --> 00:28:17,382 Yeah. For a football injury he got in high school. 746 00:28:17,425 --> 00:28:20,602 They impair your ability to operate heavy machinery, 747 00:28:20,646 --> 00:28:23,388 not -- not turn you into a hardened killer. 748 00:28:24,650 --> 00:28:27,000 Aaron passed out early. 749 00:28:27,044 --> 00:28:28,219 Woke up in the middle of the night. 750 00:28:28,262 --> 00:28:31,744 Went to pee and found Patrick's body. 751 00:28:41,058 --> 00:28:43,756 The French police took one look at a young Black man, 752 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,671 and decided he was the killer. 753 00:28:45,715 --> 00:28:48,152 I mean, they didn't even pursue any other suspects. 754 00:28:48,195 --> 00:28:49,849 Bonjour, I appreciate you speaking with me. 755 00:28:49,893 --> 00:28:52,243 Your accent is terrible. 756 00:28:52,286 --> 00:28:53,635 Um, Detective, you've been accused 757 00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:55,986 of leading an incredibly biased investigation -- 758 00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:57,770 Mais non. 759 00:28:57,814 --> 00:28:59,250 We followed the facts. 760 00:28:59,293 --> 00:29:01,208 Mm. And the fact that Patrick picked up 761 00:29:01,252 --> 00:29:02,688 a woman at the club that night? 762 00:29:02,732 --> 00:29:03,950 Collette Lavinge? 763 00:29:03,994 --> 00:29:06,605 She was seen leaving the apartment 764 00:29:06,648 --> 00:29:08,085 before the time of death. 765 00:29:08,128 --> 00:29:09,434 Understand? 766 00:29:09,477 --> 00:29:11,653 What about her jealous, controlling boyfriend? 767 00:29:11,697 --> 00:29:12,829 Did you interview him? 768 00:29:15,135 --> 00:29:17,747 - No. We did not. - Mm. 769 00:29:17,790 --> 00:29:19,226 Interviewer: But the thing that ultimately got you released 770 00:29:19,270 --> 00:29:21,925 from prison was the identification of this man. 771 00:29:21,968 --> 00:29:23,317 Aaron: Yeah. Collette's boyfriend, Julien. 772 00:29:23,361 --> 00:29:25,929 Handsome. French. 773 00:29:25,972 --> 00:29:27,669 And, you know, let's just say it -- 774 00:29:27,713 --> 00:29:29,280 he's super white. You know? 775 00:29:29,323 --> 00:29:30,890 Uh, what is -- 776 00:29:30,934 --> 00:29:33,284 What is "Finance Bro" in French? 777 00:29:33,327 --> 00:29:35,808 Shouldn't you know that? You spent years in France. 778 00:29:35,852 --> 00:29:38,071 Yeah, but I didn't -- I didn't retain it. 779 00:29:38,115 --> 00:29:41,205 It was actually a group of Internet sleuths 780 00:29:41,248 --> 00:29:42,989 who found Collette's boyfriend. 781 00:29:43,033 --> 00:29:46,340 They spent countless hours investigating Aaron's case. 782 00:29:46,384 --> 00:29:48,081 They also pointed the finger at dozens 783 00:29:48,125 --> 00:29:49,779 of innocent people, ruining their lives. 784 00:29:49,822 --> 00:29:52,825 Yes. Some members of the group took it a little too far. 785 00:29:52,869 --> 00:29:55,436 Interviewer: We've been looking at the Internet sleuths, actually. 786 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,179 Any chance you post under the title "truecrimejunkie"? 787 00:30:00,224 --> 00:30:01,181 I... 788 00:30:02,879 --> 00:30:05,620 That -- That -- That doesn't s-- 789 00:30:05,664 --> 00:30:07,971 I might have logged on once -- once or twice, yeah. 790 00:30:08,014 --> 00:30:09,711 Seriously? 791 00:30:09,755 --> 00:30:11,626 I mean, can you not see how people would take that 792 00:30:11,670 --> 00:30:13,106 as a clear sign of bias? 793 00:30:13,150 --> 00:30:17,023 I categorically deny any preferential treatment, okay? 794 00:30:17,067 --> 00:30:18,285 Interviewer: How can you say that with a straight face, 795 00:30:18,329 --> 00:30:19,852 when it was revealed that Julien was the son 796 00:30:19,896 --> 00:30:21,506 of the French Finance Minister? 797 00:30:21,549 --> 00:30:23,029 Are you telling me you didn't get a phone call asking you -- 798 00:30:23,856 --> 00:30:24,901 Merci beaucoup. 799 00:30:24,944 --> 00:30:26,206 C'est terminé. 800 00:30:26,250 --> 00:30:27,642 Merci. 801 00:30:27,686 --> 00:30:29,601 Oh, come on. Don't do that. Come back. 802 00:30:29,644 --> 00:30:31,211 Interviewer: So, it must've been so frustrating to learn 803 00:30:31,255 --> 00:30:33,083 that the French police knew his identity 804 00:30:33,126 --> 00:30:35,868 before your first trial and didn't say anything. 805 00:30:35,912 --> 00:30:37,304 I mean, yeah. The -- The good news 806 00:30:37,348 --> 00:30:40,612 was that the fact that they ignored Julien -- 807 00:30:40,655 --> 00:30:42,875 uh, it got me my retrial. 808 00:30:42,919 --> 00:30:47,575 But the bad news was the unidentified DNA on the knife -- 809 00:30:47,619 --> 00:30:49,012 it -- it didn't belong to Julien. 810 00:30:49,055 --> 00:30:51,231 So he -- You know, he had an alibi. 811 00:30:51,275 --> 00:30:52,711 As horrible as the experience was, 812 00:30:52,754 --> 00:30:54,669 is there anything that you actually miss from that time? 813 00:30:54,713 --> 00:30:56,193 I miss? 814 00:30:56,236 --> 00:30:57,150 God, no. 815 00:30:57,194 --> 00:30:59,326 W-- 816 00:30:59,370 --> 00:31:00,893 Well, Carlos. 817 00:31:00,937 --> 00:31:01,938 Carlos? 818 00:31:01,981 --> 00:31:02,852 Yeah. 819 00:31:02,895 --> 00:31:05,071 Uh, Carlos the Jackal. 820 00:31:05,115 --> 00:31:06,899 He -- He was my cellmate. 821 00:31:06,943 --> 00:31:09,684 And, uh, man, pbht, he has some stories. 822 00:31:09,728 --> 00:31:11,599 So you're saying the Jackal got you through 823 00:31:11,643 --> 00:31:13,253 your year and a half of incarceration? 824 00:31:13,297 --> 00:31:14,472 No. 825 00:31:14,515 --> 00:31:15,473 My mom did. 826 00:31:15,516 --> 00:31:17,344 Yeah, I don't -- 827 00:31:17,388 --> 00:31:19,390 I don't think I would have got through it without her. 828 00:31:19,433 --> 00:31:20,782 Um... 829 00:31:20,826 --> 00:31:24,525 She actually leased an apartment in Paris 830 00:31:24,569 --> 00:31:26,005 until I was released. 831 00:31:26,049 --> 00:31:28,312 And, uh, she visited me every week. 832 00:31:28,355 --> 00:31:30,183 And I'll tell you what. If they would have let her, 833 00:31:30,227 --> 00:31:31,271 she would have been over there every day. 834 00:31:31,315 --> 00:31:32,882 Of course I moved to Paris. 835 00:31:32,925 --> 00:31:34,361 I'm his mother. 836 00:31:34,405 --> 00:31:36,929 I would have served the prison time for him if I could. 837 00:31:36,973 --> 00:31:38,104 You're a close family. 838 00:31:38,148 --> 00:31:39,105 We are. 839 00:31:39,149 --> 00:31:40,628 We've been tested. 840 00:31:40,672 --> 00:31:42,369 Were you close with Patrick? 841 00:31:42,413 --> 00:31:43,544 Yes. 842 00:31:43,588 --> 00:31:44,850 I adored him. 843 00:31:44,894 --> 00:31:46,460 He was a wonderful boy. 844 00:31:46,504 --> 00:31:47,679 According to your friends, 845 00:31:47,722 --> 00:31:48,723 you thought Patrick was a troublemaker, 846 00:31:48,767 --> 00:31:49,942 and a bad influence on Aaron. 847 00:31:49,986 --> 00:31:52,249 Anyone who said that was lying. 848 00:31:52,292 --> 00:31:55,556 Yvonne -- were you in Paris the day Patrick was murdered? 849 00:31:56,818 --> 00:31:59,647 Of course not. I was here in LA. 850 00:31:59,691 --> 00:32:00,997 How do you explain this footage, 851 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,955 taken the day of Patrick's murder? 852 00:32:11,094 --> 00:32:12,486 Oh, hell, no. 853 00:32:12,530 --> 00:32:13,618 This interview is over. 854 00:32:13,661 --> 00:32:15,576 Yvonne. No. No. 855 00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:17,535 We did not okay this question. 856 00:32:17,578 --> 00:32:19,363 Who do you think you are? 857 00:32:19,406 --> 00:32:20,712 Fired! 858 00:32:20,755 --> 00:32:21,626 I actually don't work for you. 859 00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:22,409 You need to kiss my ass. 860 00:32:26,239 --> 00:32:28,459 Interviewer: Did you know that your mother was in Paris 861 00:32:28,502 --> 00:32:29,155 the day that Patrick was killed? 862 00:32:29,199 --> 00:32:30,896 What? 863 00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:33,246 No, she was -- she was home in LA. 864 00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:35,118 Mm. We have footage of her shopping 865 00:32:35,161 --> 00:32:37,163 on the Champs-Elysées the night of the murder. 866 00:32:37,207 --> 00:32:39,513 Okay, well, that -- That's impossible. 867 00:32:39,557 --> 00:32:40,688 Isn't this her? 868 00:32:50,524 --> 00:32:51,569 Okay. 869 00:32:53,484 --> 00:32:55,181 Officer Thorsen, come back. 870 00:32:55,225 --> 00:32:57,575 Come on. Let's finish this interview. 871 00:32:57,618 --> 00:32:59,664 Man: Hey, there he is. 872 00:32:59,707 --> 00:33:00,926 - Aaron: You lied to me. - Jimmy, get down. 873 00:33:00,970 --> 00:33:02,406 You lied to everyone. 874 00:33:02,449 --> 00:33:04,103 I didn't want all my private business out there 875 00:33:04,147 --> 00:33:05,365 for all the world to see. 876 00:33:05,409 --> 00:33:07,063 Mom, you are literally producing 877 00:33:07,106 --> 00:33:08,455 a reality show about our lives. 878 00:33:08,499 --> 00:33:10,153 That's different. 879 00:33:10,196 --> 00:33:12,372 I was on trial for murder, fighting for my life. 880 00:33:12,416 --> 00:33:13,721 Exactly. 881 00:33:13,765 --> 00:33:16,028 The fact that I was even in Paris on that night -- 882 00:33:16,072 --> 00:33:17,290 how does that help you? 883 00:33:17,334 --> 00:33:18,422 Interviewer: And what was your reaction 884 00:33:18,465 --> 00:33:19,684 to the revelation that Aaron's mother 885 00:33:19,727 --> 00:33:21,164 was in Paris at the time of the murder? 886 00:33:21,207 --> 00:33:23,035 Like, bombshell. Game changer. 887 00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,429 I mean, none of this stuff came out at the time of the trial. 888 00:33:25,472 --> 00:33:26,778 This is -- 889 00:33:26,821 --> 00:33:28,780 It's so exciting, what it means for the case -- 890 00:33:28,823 --> 00:33:31,043 Not for Aaron. His mom lied to him. 891 00:33:31,087 --> 00:33:33,611 Y-Yes, that -- Well, that is true. 892 00:33:36,527 --> 00:33:37,832 Thanks for coming back in. 893 00:33:37,876 --> 00:33:39,182 We just need to clear something up 894 00:33:39,225 --> 00:33:40,618 about the night Patrick was killed. 895 00:33:40,661 --> 00:33:43,403 Patrick? I thought this was about Morris's murder. 896 00:33:43,447 --> 00:33:45,275 Oh, it's about both. 897 00:33:45,318 --> 00:33:48,756 See, you felt Patrick was a bad influence on your son. 898 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,932 So you flew Aaron to Paris to separate them. 899 00:33:50,976 --> 00:33:53,457 Only Patrick followed Aaron there, 900 00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:55,633 so you took matters into your own hands. 901 00:33:55,676 --> 00:33:57,939 You flew to Paris, you killed Patrick. 902 00:33:57,983 --> 00:33:59,854 But somehow Morris found out, 903 00:33:59,898 --> 00:34:02,466 so to keep your deadly secret, 904 00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:03,902 you killed him too. 905 00:34:05,425 --> 00:34:08,994 Yeah, that's a fun theory -- 906 00:34:09,038 --> 00:34:11,475 a good story -- but you're wrong. 907 00:34:11,518 --> 00:34:13,216 Then explain why you went to Paris 908 00:34:13,259 --> 00:34:15,174 and why you kept it a secret. 909 00:34:15,218 --> 00:34:18,351 Because I was with Jean-Pierre Darby. 910 00:34:18,395 --> 00:34:19,918 Who? The footballer? 911 00:34:19,961 --> 00:34:23,313 Yes, we met a month before, at a fashion show in Milan. 912 00:34:23,356 --> 00:34:24,662 I'm -- I'm sorry. 913 00:34:24,705 --> 00:34:27,186 You went to Paris for an international bootie call? 914 00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:28,274 Yes. 915 00:34:28,318 --> 00:34:29,928 And we were in bed all night. 916 00:34:29,971 --> 00:34:31,277 Ask him. 917 00:34:31,321 --> 00:34:33,845 Hell, ask the neighbors. 918 00:34:33,888 --> 00:34:35,977 Yvonne: They were determined to convict you. 919 00:34:36,021 --> 00:34:37,979 Had it come out that I was in town, 920 00:34:38,023 --> 00:34:39,546 they would've used it against you, 921 00:34:39,590 --> 00:34:42,332 said that we were conspiring to kill Patrick. 922 00:34:42,375 --> 00:34:45,509 Coming clean would've only hurt your case, made it worse. 923 00:34:45,552 --> 00:34:47,902 Yeah, you know what? I forgot how good you are at that. 924 00:34:47,946 --> 00:34:48,729 At what? 925 00:34:48,773 --> 00:34:50,905 At justifying yourself. 926 00:34:50,949 --> 00:34:53,821 You lied in a murder trial, you cheated on your husband, 927 00:34:53,865 --> 00:34:55,997 and now you're the hero, right? 928 00:34:56,041 --> 00:34:57,390 Yeah. Sure, Mom. 929 00:34:57,434 --> 00:34:58,522 We'll go with that. 930 00:35:03,918 --> 00:35:05,442 Interviewer: You accused Aaron's mother of the murder. 931 00:35:05,485 --> 00:35:07,357 With almost no evidence to back it up. 932 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,619 I -- I did. 933 00:35:08,662 --> 00:35:11,926 And, uh, in my defense, 934 00:35:11,970 --> 00:35:14,059 I'd been scrubbing reality show footage 935 00:35:14,103 --> 00:35:15,930 for over 200 hours at that point. 936 00:35:15,974 --> 00:35:17,541 So who broke the case? 937 00:35:17,584 --> 00:35:19,020 Oh, that was Detective Lopez. 938 00:35:19,064 --> 00:35:21,110 My wife is a badass. 939 00:35:21,153 --> 00:35:22,676 We knew the murders were connected. 940 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,374 And we knew that Patrick's murder in Paris 941 00:35:24,417 --> 00:35:25,723 was never properly investigated. 942 00:35:25,766 --> 00:35:28,160 So I dug back into that case. 943 00:35:28,204 --> 00:35:30,293 Right now I'm just trying to build a timeline, 944 00:35:30,336 --> 00:35:32,904 getting to know more about Patrick's life. 945 00:35:32,947 --> 00:35:35,080 What did the four of you do that last month? 946 00:35:35,124 --> 00:35:36,386 No detail is too small. 947 00:35:36,429 --> 00:35:38,475 Um... 948 00:35:38,518 --> 00:35:41,173 Let's ask my brain. 949 00:35:41,217 --> 00:35:43,262 I can tell you one thing that we definitely didn't do. 950 00:35:43,306 --> 00:35:44,742 Go to class. 951 00:35:44,785 --> 00:35:46,787 I mean, Aaron's parents let him borrow their private jet 952 00:35:46,831 --> 00:35:48,876 anytime he wanted, so we went all around Europe. 953 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,401 I mean, Italy. 954 00:35:51,444 --> 00:35:52,402 Greece. 955 00:35:52,445 --> 00:35:53,229 French Riviera. 956 00:35:54,317 --> 00:35:55,100 Can I see? 957 00:35:55,144 --> 00:35:56,536 Yeah. 958 00:35:56,580 --> 00:35:58,234 I thought -- screw school, 959 00:35:58,277 --> 00:36:00,453 when am I ever gonna get to visit planet rich again, right? 960 00:36:00,497 --> 00:36:03,239 So, Santorini for the weekend? 961 00:36:03,282 --> 00:36:04,414 Yes, please. 962 00:36:04,457 --> 00:36:06,155 These photos of you guys on the tarmac, 963 00:36:06,198 --> 00:36:08,069 you always have so much luggage. 964 00:36:08,113 --> 00:36:09,375 I know. 965 00:36:09,419 --> 00:36:11,856 Rowan always acted like it was the Oregon Trail. 966 00:36:11,899 --> 00:36:13,466 Why? Every time I've seen him, 967 00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:15,338 he was wearing a golf tee and jeans. 968 00:36:15,381 --> 00:36:16,774 Not exactly a clotheshorse. 969 00:36:16,817 --> 00:36:19,255 Oh, uh... 970 00:36:19,298 --> 00:36:20,473 True. 971 00:36:20,517 --> 00:36:22,083 I wonder what was in there. 972 00:36:22,127 --> 00:36:24,260 Did you ever see Rowan with drugs back then? 973 00:36:24,303 --> 00:36:25,609 I mean -- yeah. 974 00:36:25,652 --> 00:36:27,393 He was always kind of "the life of the party," 975 00:36:27,437 --> 00:36:28,481 if you know what I mean. 976 00:36:28,525 --> 00:36:30,222 Why? Before Paris, 977 00:36:30,266 --> 00:36:32,790 Rowan's family in Iowa was in financial trouble. 978 00:36:32,833 --> 00:36:34,183 He almost dropped out of school. 979 00:36:34,226 --> 00:36:36,707 Now he lives in Brentwood and drives a Porsche. 980 00:36:36,750 --> 00:36:38,535 I guess? 981 00:36:38,578 --> 00:36:41,233 I -- I see you're very excited, 982 00:36:41,277 --> 00:36:43,540 and I love that -- I -- I'm not really following. 983 00:36:43,583 --> 00:36:44,628 I... 984 00:36:45,585 --> 00:36:47,239 Hey, Nolan. 985 00:36:47,283 --> 00:36:48,545 Where's Rowan? 986 00:36:48,588 --> 00:36:50,068 Uh, he just left. 987 00:36:50,111 --> 00:36:51,635 Why? I thought you were done with him? 988 00:36:51,678 --> 00:36:53,637 I was -- until I realized he's the one who killed Patrick. 989 00:36:57,293 --> 00:36:58,816 Alright. Here we go. Here we go. 990 00:36:58,859 --> 00:37:00,252 Keith: Nice, nice. 991 00:37:00,296 --> 00:37:01,427 Bro, it's been crazy. 992 00:37:01,471 --> 00:37:02,646 I've added like half a million followers 993 00:37:02,689 --> 00:37:04,300 from all the publicity. 994 00:37:04,343 --> 00:37:06,824 What? You think, uh -- You think, uh, Aaron did it? 995 00:37:06,867 --> 00:37:07,868 Pbht. Of course he did. 996 00:37:07,912 --> 00:37:09,392 The guy's a total psycho. 997 00:37:09,435 --> 00:37:10,654 Okay, watch this -- 998 00:37:15,006 --> 00:37:16,573 Aw. Fudge. 999 00:37:16,616 --> 00:37:17,574 Hold on, I'm gonna do it again -- 1000 00:37:17,617 --> 00:37:18,488 Okay, okay. 1001 00:37:18,531 --> 00:37:21,621 Rowan. What the hell? 1002 00:37:21,665 --> 00:37:23,057 We got a warrant for your arrest. 1003 00:37:23,101 --> 00:37:24,015 What? 1004 00:37:24,058 --> 00:37:25,843 For what? 1005 00:37:25,886 --> 00:37:28,280 Lucy: For the murders of Patrick Hayes and Morris Mackey. 1006 00:37:28,324 --> 00:37:29,368 Oh, snap. 1007 00:37:29,412 --> 00:37:30,935 That's crazy. 1008 00:37:30,978 --> 00:37:32,197 And wrong. 1009 00:37:32,241 --> 00:37:34,243 I didn't -- why would you even think that? 1010 00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:35,896 Because Patrick found out you were smuggling drugs 1011 00:37:35,940 --> 00:37:38,334 in Aaron's private jet, and threatened to tell the police. 1012 00:37:38,377 --> 00:37:40,597 Somehow Morris found out that you killed Patrick 1013 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,903 to protect your secret, so you killed him too. 1014 00:37:42,947 --> 00:37:44,165 - Come on. - That's -- I mean -- 1015 00:37:44,209 --> 00:37:45,254 That's so -- so wrong -- 1016 00:37:45,297 --> 00:37:46,777 - Hey! Rowan! - Rowan! 1017 00:37:48,735 --> 00:37:49,997 - Okay. - Keith: Bro, wait. 1018 00:37:53,262 --> 00:37:54,872 - Oh. - Oh, snap. 1019 00:37:59,006 --> 00:38:00,617 Lucy: You okay? 1020 00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:02,183 Alright, you're fine. 1021 00:38:02,227 --> 00:38:03,707 Stand up. 1022 00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:05,317 - Tim: Put it down. - You're under arrest. 1023 00:38:05,361 --> 00:38:08,102 Rowan always had these crazy plans. 1024 00:38:08,146 --> 00:38:10,235 You know, "Let's go to Morocco," 1025 00:38:10,279 --> 00:38:13,194 or, "Dude, I heard about this sick party in Ibiza..." 1026 00:38:13,238 --> 00:38:17,721 And I -- I -- I never thought about it, 1027 00:38:17,764 --> 00:38:21,507 but he was the one who decided where we were flying to always. 1028 00:38:21,551 --> 00:38:23,857 And, you know, now, looking back at it, 1029 00:38:23,901 --> 00:38:27,861 with "cop eyes," I mean, it is so obvious 1030 00:38:27,905 --> 00:38:30,560 that Rowan was up to something. 1031 00:38:30,603 --> 00:38:31,909 I just could never see it. 1032 00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:36,130 I mean, Patrick did, though. 1033 00:38:38,045 --> 00:38:41,048 But, like, why -- why -- why didn't he tell me, you know? 1034 00:38:41,092 --> 00:38:43,312 We talked about everything -- you know, why wouldn't he -- 1035 00:38:43,355 --> 00:38:44,835 why wouldn't he tell me about this? 1036 00:38:47,054 --> 00:38:48,360 You know, if he had... 1037 00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:53,147 everything -- 1038 00:38:53,191 --> 00:38:54,888 everything would've been so different. 1039 00:39:03,070 --> 00:39:03,854 Dexter: Aaron. 1040 00:39:09,773 --> 00:39:11,731 Is it true? 1041 00:39:11,775 --> 00:39:14,299 Yes, sir. 1042 00:39:14,343 --> 00:39:16,910 Rowan Clauson confessed to murdering Patrick. 1043 00:39:20,392 --> 00:39:21,698 I'm so sorry I didn't believe you. 1044 00:39:24,614 --> 00:39:25,919 Can you ever forgive me? 1045 00:39:28,487 --> 00:39:29,662 Of course. 1046 00:39:32,056 --> 00:39:34,928 ♪ Say you'll be there for me 1047 00:39:34,972 --> 00:39:38,367 After all this time, the case of who killed Patrick Hayes 1048 00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:40,020 was finally solved. 1049 00:39:40,064 --> 00:39:42,066 But the question that lingers is -- 1050 00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:45,286 is whether the emotional wounds will heal -- 1051 00:39:46,462 --> 00:39:47,288 ♪ When I need you 1052 00:39:47,332 --> 00:39:49,073 Feels gross, right? Yeah. 1053 00:39:49,116 --> 00:39:51,423 ♪ I need you 1054 00:39:51,467 --> 00:39:53,556 ♪ Say you'll be there 1055 00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:54,905 Two people were dead. 1056 00:39:54,948 --> 00:39:56,297 ♪ ...for an answer that I... 1057 00:39:56,341 --> 00:39:58,604 Even after you catch the guy, it's still just awful. 1058 00:39:58,648 --> 00:40:00,954 ♪ Look down and see the body I can barely breathe in ♪ 1059 00:40:00,998 --> 00:40:03,435 I'm just glad the truth finally came out. 1060 00:40:03,479 --> 00:40:07,570 Aaron's innocence is now proven without a doubt. 1061 00:40:07,613 --> 00:40:10,224 He deserves to move on with the rest of his life. 1062 00:40:10,268 --> 00:40:12,836 And we'll be here to help him do that. 1063 00:40:12,879 --> 00:40:14,359 Interviewer: And now that it's over, 1064 00:40:14,403 --> 00:40:15,882 what's your view of Aaron Thorsen? 1065 00:40:15,926 --> 00:40:17,406 Ah. 1066 00:40:17,449 --> 00:40:20,887 I will admit, it took a minute for Aaron to win me over. 1067 00:40:20,931 --> 00:40:23,760 But once he did, I knew he'd be a good cop. 1068 00:40:23,803 --> 00:40:24,587 ♪ I need your help 1069 00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:25,849 Alright, I'm done. 1070 00:40:25,892 --> 00:40:27,416 Uh, wait. 1071 00:40:27,459 --> 00:40:30,941 This is not gonna air before his training is done, right? 1072 00:40:30,984 --> 00:40:33,117 'Cause I gotta -- I gotta keep him hungry. 1073 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,512 I never once stopped believing in my boy. 1074 00:40:36,555 --> 00:40:38,775 Interviewer: Has he forgiven you for the lie? 1075 00:40:38,818 --> 00:40:40,559 He will. 1076 00:40:40,603 --> 00:40:43,040 There's nothing our family can't get through. 1077 00:40:43,083 --> 00:40:44,476 It looks like Aaron will finally be able 1078 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,869 to put all this behind him. 1079 00:40:45,912 --> 00:40:48,175 That's -- That's not really how it works. 1080 00:40:48,219 --> 00:40:51,614 I mean, as someone who has had friends killed, 1081 00:40:51,657 --> 00:40:54,007 you never really get closure. 1082 00:40:54,051 --> 00:40:57,750 All you can hope for is that the memories of them -- 1083 00:40:57,794 --> 00:41:00,710 the -- the good times you had together -- 1084 00:41:00,753 --> 00:41:03,060 are what you see when you think of them. 1085 00:41:03,103 --> 00:41:04,801 How does it feel, having the truth come out 1086 00:41:04,844 --> 00:41:06,019 after all these years? 1087 00:41:06,063 --> 00:41:07,804 ♪ ...when I need you to 1088 00:41:07,847 --> 00:41:09,936 I-I-- I don't know. 1089 00:41:09,980 --> 00:41:11,764 It's -- It's still sinking in. 1090 00:41:11,808 --> 00:41:13,549 This is obviously gonna make compelling episodes 1091 00:41:13,592 --> 00:41:14,332 of your reality show. 1092 00:41:14,375 --> 00:41:16,334 Oh, no. That -- 1093 00:41:16,377 --> 00:41:18,945 "Every Rose Has A Thorsen" is not moving forward. 1094 00:41:18,989 --> 00:41:21,165 I mean, it was -- it was a mistake to do 1095 00:41:21,208 --> 00:41:23,210 in the first place, yeah. 1096 00:41:23,254 --> 00:41:25,082 I mean, the only reason why I did agree to it 1097 00:41:25,125 --> 00:41:27,606 was to rehabilitate my image. 1098 00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:32,698 Um, but ironically it ended up doing something even better -- 1099 00:41:32,742 --> 00:41:34,744 which was uncover the truth. 1100 00:41:34,787 --> 00:41:37,268 So what are you gonna do now? 1101 00:41:37,311 --> 00:41:39,749 ♪ You reach out and say what I need to hear ♪ 1102 00:41:39,792 --> 00:41:43,709 ♪ Might be dark right now but the light is near ♪ 1103 00:41:43,753 --> 00:41:45,232 Live. 1104 00:41:45,276 --> 00:41:47,757 ♪ And I know that you... For myself. 1105 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:48,801 ♪ ...will always be here And for Patrick. 1106 00:41:48,845 --> 00:41:50,499 Mm-hmm.